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brooklyngirl

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So, I find myself asking you guys for opinions on situations where I'd like a variety of responses, yet don't feel comfortable posting about it on Facebook, so here goes....

My husband has 4 half-siblings, from his dad's second marriage, that we're very close to, even though they're much younger, young enough to be OUR kids. The oldest is his brother, who's 15. They've always been very close, especially now that we've moved closer to them and since my husband is filling in the male role that's missing from their piece if **** father. He feels the need to be his brother- being someone to hang out with, act a fool with, play video games, etc., and also the father figure- talks to him about sex, drugs, drinking, someone to teach him how to talk to girls and also to confide in.

So little brother was always pretty innocent, he was kind of a loner, didn't have too many friends and preferred to be in the house playing Xbox to most other things, until this summer. His mom (hubby's ex-step mom) told us they were taking a trip for a week and leaving little brother alone since he had a summer job as a life guard. I was shocked, I think 15 is wayyyy too young to be left for a whole week, it her justification was "what could he possibly do, he doesn't even hangout with friends when we're home, he sits in his room playing xbox all day". When the time came, hubby prodded for info, and found out he was having several parties and sent a picture of the fridge, which was filled top to bottom with beer. He talked to him and said he's not happy about it, but if he's going to have a party, he at least needs to agree to be safe and not binge drink, as well as not letting strangers in the house and calling 911 if anyone gets sick. He refused to tell step-mom, saying that if he blows up his spot, he'll never confide in him again.

Now, it's coming out, little by little, that he's binge drinking AND, most recently, cutting. He and hubby (all all of the other siblings) have huge issues with their dad. In little brother, and one of the little sisters, it has manifested itself in depression and major self-esteem issues. Little brother has been to see a counselor on and off for years, but is refusing to go now. Step-mom is a total idiot, runs the household in the completely opposite way I (and the rest of the family) believe it should be. So hubby doesn't know wtf to do. We're closer to them than we were when we were in NY, but still almost 2 hours away, so too far to go up there all the time, and he still doesn't want to tell step-mom about the partying, but she does know about the cutting. Blargh :frown:
 
This is my first THOUGHT, not necessarily advice: make an anonymous call to CPS - the kids are not safe, and are not being cared for adequately. Anyone could have made the call, including parents of a friend if any of the kids.

You husband's response to seeing a pic of a fridge full of beer was WHOLLY inadequate. Safety before staying friendly. This was a FATHER, not brother moment.
 
This is my first THOUGHT, not necessarily advice: make an anonymous call to CPS - the kids are not safe, and are not being cared for adequately. Anyone could have made the call, including parents of a friend if any of the kids.

You husband's response to seeing a pic of a fridge full of beer was WHOLLY inadequate. Safety before staying friendly. This was a FATHER, not brother moment.
I don't know what actual good that would do? And, totally not a snarky reply, but a real question- what would you have done in that situation?
 
I once reported a left-at-home-alone-all-day-five-year-old...and the genius social worker explained to me that "it all depended on the maturity level of the five-year-old."

My response was, "Does believing in Santa Claus count as 'mature' or 'immature'?"

Truth be told, nothing bad has happened, so there is nothing to report.


Soooo....could you anonymously call his school counselor, tell him/her that there is a cutting situation and, apparently, his parents know but are not doing anything to get him to counseling. The school probably knows how to "notice" the problem and how to get help...even if it's an involuntary hold.
 
This is some scary **** with bad consequences. A 15 year old binge drinker is begging to be an adult alcoholic or dead in a car accident or other accident. Cutting becomes a very bad habit resulting in some ugly scars. The drinking is truly serious, there are many studies that point to young drinkers becoming alcoholics. I don't know what I would do in your situation but, I would not do nothing. Call the mother again and again. Hold her responsible for the minor child.

Good luck.
 
A call to CPS about illegal activities in the house would I think mandate a home visit. If there is no real problem, then no harm, no foul - but fear of a repeat visit should motivate the mother to take proactive action.
 
I agree with Diana. I am Child Advocate and work with abused and neglected kids. This boy is being neglected. He needs intervention. Now. Call child and youth . Let them investigate. It may save his life.
 
So, update, hubby spoke to little brother this afternoon. He was grumbly and pissed off because his mom pulled him out of school early and brought him to a therapist. He said he was going to refuse to talk to him. My plan is to talk to ex-step-mother-in-law (seriously? ;)) over the weekend to feel her out for what she knows and doesn't know, and what she's doing about it. I think I need to discreetly fill in some blanks since hubby won't break confidence, and then reassess. I'll make a call only if I have to, but I'll be far from happy about it.
 
Maybe tell hubby that if he can't find any other way to get his bro to cooperate...tell bro that if he keeps refusing...and with the boize and scars...SOMEONE is going to slap a psych hold on him.

On one of my many trips to the hospital with my mom, I struck up a conversation with a frustrated cop who was there, in the ER, waiting to have a shrink declare the 16-year-old who was there a danger to himself or others...and the kid was going psych inpatient and he was none too happy about it. (He realized, a little too late, that he should not have said something like, "Well, fine! You are tired of my ****? I can fix that! I can end that problem with some pills and a bottle of YOUR Jack Daniels. I won't be anybody's problem after that.")

And realistically, any of the folks who work with bro...therapist, school counselor, family doctor...COULD get tired of his refusal and decide he is a danger to himself and off he goes. Maybe if the bro understands THAT threat, he might at least go.

In CA, it's called a "fifty-one fifty hold." It looks like this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_hold)
 
There is a difference between tattling and mandatory reporting. I believe your husband - and you - are mandatory reporters in this situation.

ALL children need to understand the difference between being a tattle-tale and a responsible reporter - when keeping a secret means someone is in danger, they are supposed to tell a trusted person who is in a position to do something about it.

I don't completely agree with this blogger, but - mostly. http://theworthyadversary.com/144-parenting-tattletales
 
Maybe tell hubby that if he can't find any other way to get his bro to cooperate...tell bro that if he keeps refusing...and with the boize and scars...SOMEONE is going to slap a psych hold on him.

On one of my many trips to the hospital with my mom, I struck up a conversation with a frustrated cop who was there, in the ER, waiting to have a shrink declare the 16-year-old who was there a danger to himself or others...and the kid was going psych inpatient and he was none too happy about it. (He realized, a little too late, that he should not have said something like, "Well, fine! You are tired of my ****? I can fix that! I can end that problem with some pills and a bottle of YOUR Jack Daniels. I won't be anybody's problem after that.")

And realistically, any of the folks who work with bro...therapist, school counselor, family doctor...COULD get tired of his refusal and decide he is a danger to himself and off he goes. Maybe if the bro understands THAT threat, he might at least go.

In CA, it's called a "fifty-one fifty hold." It looks like this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5150_(involuntary_psychiatric_hold)
He told him to stop being a baby and suck it up and that plenty of people he knows go to therapy (ie- Me and their sister) and that it's only something that's supposed to help HIM, no one else. I like the scare tactic about psych inpatient, though. I hadn't thought of that and that should scare the crap out of anyone. I'd bet millions he's said **** like that to his mother before.
 
There is a difference between tattling and mandatory reporting. I believe your husband - and you - are mandatory reporters in this situation.

ALL children need to understand the difference between being a tattle-tale and a responsible reporter - when keeping a secret means someone is in danger, they are supposed to tell a trusted person who is in a position to do something about it.

I don't completely agree with this blogger, but - mostly. http://theworthyadversary.com/144-parenting-tattletales
I suppose you're right :(
 
Your husband may lose "trusted confidante" status for a while, but his brother is mentally ill, and nobody in his circle can or should keep secrets about his dangerous or disturbing behaviors. Their younger siblings need to also know that it is OK to tell someone if they see something that concerns them.

Please let us know what happens next.
 
In NJ, what the step-mom did is grounds for immediate removal of all minors from the home and placement in foster care, and possibly also for criminal charges.

This varies by state. Had I been in your shoes, I would have called CPS, especially once I found out that the kid is potentially a danger to himself. I would call NOW, in fact, if I were in your shoes. And if I were physically present and you told me this story, I would consider it to fall within my status as a mandated reporter to make that call myself. (It might not LEGALLY be the case, but that's how I interpret the ethics of that status.)
 
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