Old thread (2011) with summaries/links about bad surgeons

[Spiky Bugger]

Making an exception to the rule of NO actual OH links...this one DOES need linking altho I really don't like linking to them since they don't want to let us link here on their site.

Can you copy it all and post the copy?

Or copy it to a cloud and link to the cloud?

 

[southernlady]

Can you copy it all and post the copy?

Or copy it to a cloud and link to the cloud?

I can...I THINK...if not, I will let it stand.

 

[southernlady]

Can you copy it all and post the copy?

Or copy it to a cloud and link to the cloud?

Okay, copied to a PDF and put it in my dropbox with the ability for ANYONE with the link to read it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/boblrnpyrv6ech3/Okay.pdf?dl=0

 

[southernlady]

@DianaCox, now that I have the link as a dropbox PDF, will you please edit your initial post to take the link to OH out? Put the link to the PDF in it's place.

Thank you.

 

[DianaCox]

Done

 

[Munchkin]

Great idea finding a way to save this! There is nothing to be gained by making decisions in the dark.

I spent a lot of time on that memorial board. I read it all. And so many of those deaths were un-necessary.

 

[Spiky Bugger]

Wow, Spiky, you’re right! We do both do that! To be honest, I actually had to go wiki that to even remind myself what an “ellipse” even is lol! I also went back and re-read your original post, in particular the part with mini-sue, and I just want you and Diana and Larra and EN, Liz, J, V, and all the other Vets that help so much, too many to list, to just think about ONE thing.

I’m going to say something I’ve wanted to say for a while, an observation, an opinion, call it whatever you like…and YES…another long winded post:

I was sitting outside last weekend by a nice campfire on a beautiful cool clear evening in my backyard, had a really nice Anchor Xmas Ale (just one), and smoked a pipe, only 1 bowl, and YES it was just Tobacco!!! (I’m not in California)…lol, and had a beautiful relaxing, reflective thought provoking evening, and I was just thinking about how many people you guys have helped over the years, how many actual lives you have without a doubt saved, how many family’s you’ve saved from either the death of a loved one or the trauma from being maimed or the trauma from receiving a “bait-n-no switch”, the list is really quite extensive. And I just kept asking myself…Do “they” (you people)…lol, even realize how many people they’ve helped and saved over the years? I wonder if they actually ever think about that?

It’s kind of like the ole Jimmy Stewart movie, “It’s a wonderful life”, and you don’t even know how many lives you may have saved and helped and what an impact in a lot of people’s lives you’ve had. A lot of people will never post and some will never even realize that they just headed off a disaster by taking the advice of getting a second opinion or doing more self advocating etc, and this is just scratching the surface, not to mention the virtual plethora of advice and information on nutrition and vitamins, Labs etc.

So, unfortunately, yes, you are going to lose one every now and then, but just stop and think how many you’ve saved and help. That’s what I got out of re-reading you’lls original posts on OH, and..what I’ve been thinking and saying for a while.

You have no idea how timely...and kind...your comments are!

I was literally sitting here whining, both because of a painful medical condition that was acting up today and a feeling of...well...worthlessness. I had been hanging out at an online place called Volunteer Match, looking for a way I could do SOMETHING to utilize my few remaining talents before I am completely senile.

Our daughter has volunteered with, among other things, tutoring skid row kids; my sister is hanging out at her sewing machine making gift goody bags--cute cloth bags with a drawstring, that they put gifts into--for kids undergoing cancer treatment; my mother used to darn socks (remember THAT?) for kids at the orphanage (that was part orphanage but mostly a children's home for, like, kids whose mom had died or disappeared and whose dad could only keep them on weekends) and on many weekends there were a couple of extra little girls who came home with Mom. So this meddling in other people's lives...lol..is a family tradition.

And anymore, I can't play at the reindeer games I'd be good at.

So I was whining about the fact that most of what I want to do requires time commitments I can't make because I cannot promise to be available at a certain time or show up at a certain place, due to my own health issues. (There's the arthritis thing, but also Interstitial Cystitis, which often leaves me getting loaded and unable to drive anywhere. Sometimes, I just lose a day, or several days, loaded on drugs that make people sleepy, dizzy and so on. Not someone you'd want hanging out with the populations I want to work with.) See? This is me whining!

Anyway, I had JUST told my husband that I felt like I wasn't doing my part to make the world a better place for SOMEONE, and he told me that I was doing that online. I told him he was wrong, and then I read your post. (It's easier to believe kind words coming from a guy who isn't always trying to talk you into getting naked and getting in a pile. Those guys tend to have ulterior motives, you know.)

So, you have just done YOUR part to make the world a better place for someone.

Thanks,

Someone

 

[SHales]

@DianaCox , Thank you for this. I used it as soon as I saw it to try and talk a twit on another board out of using Fang for a DS. I didn't find much on him YET but just the fact that he is partnered up with Juarez would make me turn around. I hope it helps her make a decision.

 

[SHales]

Wow, Spiky, you’re right! We do both do that! To be honest, I actually had to go wiki that to even remind myself what an “ellipse” even is lol! I also went back and re-read your original post, in particular the part with mini-sue, and I just want you and Diana and Larra and EN, Liz, J, V, and all the other Vets that help so much, too many to list, to just think about ONE thing.

I’m going to say something I’ve wanted to say for a while, an observation, an opinion, call it whatever you like…and YES…another long winded post:

I was sitting outside last weekend by a nice campfire on a beautiful cool clear evening in my backyard, had a really nice Anchor Xmas Ale (just one), and smoked a pipe, only 1 bowl, and YES it was just Tobacco!!! (I’m not in California)…lol, and had a beautiful relaxing, reflective thought provoking evening, and I was just thinking about how many people you guys have helped over the years, how many actual lives you have without a doubt saved, how many family’s you’ve saved from either the death of a loved one or the trauma from being maimed or the trauma from receiving a “bait-n-no switch”, the list is really quite extensive. And I just kept asking myself…Do “they” (you people)…lol, even realize how many people they’ve helped and saved over the years? I wonder if they actually ever think about that?

It’s kind of like the ole Jimmy Stewart movie, “It’s a wonderful life”, and you don’t even know how many lives you may have saved and helped and what an impact in a lot of people’s lives you’ve had. A lot of people will never post and some will never even realize that they just headed off a disaster by taking the advice of getting a second opinion or doing more self advocating etc, and this is just scratching the surface, not to mention the virtual plethora of advice and information on nutrition and vitamins, Labs etc.

So, unfortunately, yes, you are going to lose one every now and then, but just stop and think how many you’ve saved and help. That’s what I got out of re-reading you’lls original posts on OH, and..what I’ve been thinking and saying for a while.

THIS, THIS THIS ^^^^^

 

[Sheanie]

Yeah, Shellie, thanks for posting that to the Fang woman.

 

[robs477]

You have no idea how timely...and kind...your comments are!

I was literally sitting here whining, both because of a painful medical condition that was acting up today and a feeling of...well...worthlessness. I had been hanging out at an online place called Volunteer Match, looking for a way I could do SOMETHING to utilize my few remaining talents before I am completely senile.

Our daughter has volunteered with, among other things, tutoring skid row kids; my sister is hanging out at her sewing machine making gift goody bags--cute cloth bags with a drawstring, that they put gifts into--for kids undergoing cancer treatment; my mother used to darn socks (remember THAT?) for kids at the orphanage (that was part orphanage but mostly a children's home for, like, kids whose mom had died or disappeared and whose dad could only keep them on weekends) and on many weekends there were a couple of extra little girls who came home with Mom. So this meddling in other people's lives...lol..is a family tradition.

And anymore, I can't play at the reindeer games I'd be good at.

So I was whining about the fact that most of what I want to do requires time commitments I can't make because I cannot promise to be available at a certain time or show up at a certain place, due to my own health issues. (There's the arthritis thing, but also Interstitial Cystitis, which often leaves me getting loaded and unable to drive anywhere. Sometimes, I just lose a day, or several days, loaded on drugs that make people sleepy, dizzy and so on. Not someone you'd want hanging out with the populations I want to work with.) See? This is me whining!

Anyway, I had JUST told my husband that I felt like I wasn't doing my part to make the world a better place for SOMEONE, and he told me that I was doing that online. I told him he was wrong, and then I read your post. (It's easier to believe kind words coming from a guy who isn't always trying to talk you into getting naked and getting in a pile. Those guys tend to have ulterior motives, you know.)

So, you have just done YOUR part to make the world a better place for someone.

Thanks,

Someone

Oh Sue, that’s SOO COOL of you to say!!! I am a passionate and emotional person in everything I do. I only have 2 speeds, On/Off. No in between. Like everything else in life though, it’s a double edged sword that cuts both ways. My point in saying this is….that I truly meant every word I said. You guys personally saved me from some horror. First off…never even heard of the “Bait-N-No Switch” thing. How F&*KED up is that to do to somebody already in a low place!!! Then when I did finally find a "DS Surgeon" AFTER SIX interviews, you guys pretty forcibly ripped me up with facts about the infamous Dr. S******, (rhymes with Seagull). You was one of the ones leading the pack!

So, yes, PLEASE, take it to heart as it was meant. My Surgery isn’t over yet, but, I am going in to it at least with knowledge and information I would have never thought I needed and have made the best informed decision based on ALL of you’lls collective knowledge and experience that go back MANY years, even decades!

So, you should be very happy and proud of yourself, and..in addition, remember…I could tell from your very first post to me that you was a live one and full of “Vim and Vigor”! So, you still got it Lady, and you’re funny as S**T to boot which goes a long way with me! So, thank you for making me a very happy guy for accepting my gratitude. I think you guys are ALL Angels!

 

[Munchkin]

Oh Sue, that’s SOO COOL of you to say!!! I am a passionate and emotional person in everything I do. I only have 2 speeds, On/Off. No in between. Like everything else in life though, it’s a double edged sword that cuts both ways. My point in saying this is….that I truly meant every word I said. You guys personally saved me from some horror. First off…never even heard of the “Bait-N-No Switch” thing. How F&*KED up is that to do to somebody already in a low place!!! Then when I did finally find a "DS Surgeon" AFTER SIX interviews, you guys pretty forcibly ripped me up with facts about the infamous Dr. S******, (rhymes with Seagull). You was one of the ones leading the pack!

So, yes, PLEASE, take it to heart as it was meant. My Surgery isn’t over yet, but, I am going in to it at least with knowledge and information I would have never thought I needed and have made the best informed decision based on ALL of you’lls collective knowledge and experience that go back MANY years, even decades!

So, you should be very happy and proud of yourself, and..in addition, remember…I could tell from your very first post to me that you was a live one and full of “Vim and Vigor”! So, you still got it Lady, and you’re funny as S**T to boot which goes a long way with me! So, thank you for making me a very happy guy for accepting my gratitude. I think you guys are ALL Angels!

Thank you very much. I'm sure my halo is being held up by my horns.

 

[robs477]

Thank you very much. I'm sure my halo is being held up by my horns.

that's funny too...and you are very welcome!

 

[DuodenalSwitchaRoo]

That was an intense read. I took a break from OH during that time as I was struggling with my vsg and no ds in sight. I did not know the person who passed, may she RIP. I wish all the people on FB could read this before they block and bounce.

I actually walked out on the first surgeon I was assigned and that is unheard of in the NHS, you take what you get, but I was willing to stay over 600lbs than let a surgeon who had done 0 DSes and said "but it's a simple enough operation". You gotta have balls people. You only get ONE chance. ONE! Once you are dead, you are dead. No re-dos.

 

[Parousia]

I was just reading the story of someone on the memorial page. It was quite shocking to read a post where she was so happy, feeling great and seemed to be doing really well, and then to realise that she died 5 days later! Scary, really, how fragile life can be .