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Spiky Bugger

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Munchkin In the past, you have inquired and I have had partial answers. I think I now have the “full story.”

We got our annual “settle up bill” today. Before you wonder if there was much saving going on...background:

1–our (winter) electricity costs:
a) $0.18/kWh for the first 318 kWh;
b) $0.23/kWh for usage from 319 - 1272 kWh;
c) $0.40/kWh from there on.

2–we need to pay $920.02 “settle up,” in addition to the $10.91 we have paid in monthly bills.

3–we are unrepentant HEAVY users of electricity. We breathe best when the indoor temps are 69-72°. The too-big pool has a variable speed pump, so that helps a lot. Our 35+ year old HVAC was replaced, that helps, too. But, the television is ALWAYS on...even when we are gone. (Lots of burglars roam our streets; we want them to think someone is home.). He’s usually on his laptop and I’m usually on one or two iPads. (Yes, I know. I may be a tad “over-connected.”)

4–the solar salesman told us we’d need 21 panels (at about $32k) to cover our usage. We bought 14 panels (about $21k), hoping that buying 67% of recommended would save us 67% of our electricity costs.

5–in figuring actual costs, factor in the 30% Federal Tax Credit...so the true cost of the panels to us was just under $15k.

Soooo...
PRE-solar, our annual cost was just over $3250. (+/- $271/mo.)
This year, our annual cost was $930.93. (+/-$78/mo.)
That means we saved $3250 - 931 = $2319.
That’s $2319 / $3250 = 71% savings.
If we continue to save +/- $2300/yr, our almost $15k investment will be paid for in 6.52 years from date of purchase. (Five years to go!)
 
Wow, I am impressed! DianaCox needs to chime in here too!

For sure I am tired of sweating all summer long. I long to be able to afford to set it on 72 and forget it!

For accuracy’s sake...or is it accuracy sake?...we set AC at 72° and heating at 69°, because we just hate breathing superheated air. In my next life, I’m going for heated floors.
 
It's hard to compare our bills to Spiky's, for several reasons:

1) We moved to AZ in late Dec 2016, and got solar in late June 2017, so we didn't have a whole year to compare. But since the half year of our bill was almost equally summer and not summer (May and June are the hottest months, give or take a bit), I'll double the six bills we paid, and add another $500 (based on the one summer (May-June) bill that was nearly $800) to compensate for the July-September bills) and multiply times 2.


typeactivity dateamountbill due date
bill03/17/2017$374.9404/03/2017
bill02/14/2017$228.5302/27/2017
payment02/09/2017$73.50-
bill01/20/2017$27.8202/02/2017
payment08/02/2017$396.94-
bill07/18/2017$396.9408/02/2017
payment06/19/2017$767.11-
bill06/16/2017$767.1107/03/2017
bill05/16/2017$319.9005/31/2017
payment04/26/2017$180.11-
bill04/17/2017$180.1105/02/2017
payment04/06/2017$374.94-

$1900 for six bills, plus (based on the June bill (May 17-June 17) an adjustment of an additional $500 for excess consumption in July -September, had we not gotten solar turned on around June 21 (note now much lower the solar-enhanced bill was on July 18, 2017). So call it $2400 (for 6 months) x 2 = approximately $4800/year without solar. This includes about $30-35/mo of service charges. (NB: May-June 2017 $767; June-July 2018 $173 ... really a $600 difference).

2) We are charged differently from how Spiky is billed. Our charges are based on both time of consumption, and are different in summer and winter. Our plan (frozen for 20 years) is:
SummerWinter
On-Peak Energy Charge:$0.28205$0.22900per kWh
Off-Peak Energy Charge:$0.07105$0.07005per kWh

On-Peak: Noon - 7 PM weekdays
Off-Peak: 7 PM - noon on weekdays, and all day on weekends and holidays

3) We bought 27 solar panels to provide about 8.1 KW power; we paid about $21,150, with about $7000 of tax rebate, or net $13,100. This was to provide about 85% of our energy costs.

4) Our most recent 12 months of billing - I included 3 full pages, because I just realized that in Dec 2017, when they zero out the extra generation credits, we had a net credit of over $200 that carried over into 2018 - this year, we had almost no net credit.
typeactivity dateamountbill due date
payment03/01/2019$31.44-
bill02/15/2019$31.4403/01/2019
payment01/31/2019$31.04-
bill01/17/2019$31.0401/31/2019
payment01/02/2019$8.99-
bill12/19/2018$8.9901/02/2019
payment11/30/2018$34.47-
bill11/16/2018$34.4711/30/2018
payment10/30/2018$92.77-
bill10/16/2018$92.7710/30/2018
typeactivity dateamountbill due date
payment10/01/2018$179.45-
bill09/17/2018$179.4510/01/2018
payment08/30/2018$187.17-
bill08/16/2018$187.1708/30/2018
payment08/02/2018$172.68-
bill07/18/2018$172.6808/02/2018
payment07/02/2018$19.68-
bill06/15/2018$19.6807/02/2018
bill05/16/2018-$36.9505/31/2018
bill04/17/2018-$74.9405/02/2018
typeactivity dateamountbill due date
bill03/16/2018-$108.0004/02/2018
bill02/16/2018-$138.2203/05/2018
bill01/18/2018-$169.1602/02/2018
bill12/18/2017-$212.3301/02/2018
payment11/30/2017$34.54-
bill11/15/2017$34.5411/30/2017
payment11/01/2017$64.67-
bill10/17/2017$64.6711/01/2017
payment10/04/2017$244.15-
bill09/19/2017$244.1510/04/2017

From mid Feb 2018, when we had $138 in credit, to mid June 2018, our electricity bill was $138 + $20 = $158.
Total for Feb 2018-2019, $895 (call it $900 to make the numbers easier).

Without solar: about $4800/year
With solar: $900/year
Savings: $3900/year
$13,100 investment / $3900/year savings = about 3-1/3 year payoff.

$3900/$4800 = 81% savings. (It could be a smidge more if I underestimated the higher non-solar summer costs - if it was $600/mo more rather than $500, $4100/$5000 = 82%).

So here in the extreme summer heat, it's really worth it. Our savings will be even better this summer, because we're going to be gone for over 2 months, leaving the house at 88 degrees. Normally, our preferred temp is about 74.
 
Wow! I need to find a way to get solar. Thanks both of you for sharing this. Your ROI times are much shorter than I was led to believe.
 

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