Mr Sandless? Too good to be true?

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Sheanie

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We need our hardwood floors refinished again. The last time(s) we did this, we had someone come and sand them and the mess was horrendous. After, we had to have our ductwork cleaned, the dust was so bad. Every horizontal surface in the house was coated with a fine layer of wood dust. It was a god-awful, never to be repeated scene of mayhem. Even the basement was a mess.

So at the Home Show recently, we ran across a booth where Mr Sandless was being advertised. They claim to strip the floor with "green" chemicals that "your dog could lick", it's so harmless. And they say there's no sanding involved. They seal the wood, then apply two coats of finish and it's guaranteed or you don't pay. The problem is, it sounds too good to be true. $695 for the kitchen and attached pantry/laundry room, which is a huge room.

Now the hinky part. When we asked for previous customers, so we could go and actually touch and see the work they have done, they balked. The man said they can't give out customer's names, corporate won't let them. So I asked if he could give OUR names to previous customers for them to call US. No go.

So we got to see a floor in Frankenmuth they did at a business, but it was done over 18 months ago and the finish is scuffed up, because it's a business. I saw bubbles and fuzz in the finish, Mr Sheanie did not. When I asked MrSandless about said imperfections, he said "well, the job was finished at midnight, so it was dark". Huh? You didn't know enough to use adequate LIGHTING? These men are retired teachers, bought this franchise and are making a business venture.

What say you? Would you go ahead and not pay if the finish wasn't good? We'd only be out the cost of the appliance guys coming and moving our fridge, stove, and washer/dryer unit, which would be about $100.
 
I'd be looking them up on Angie's list and see what reviews they have. I'd be very leery of using them without references.
 
@Taterweight , Angie's List has a charge to join. Mr Sheanie's also known as El Cheapo *******o. When I did an Internet search of them, I pulled up all good local things, but one Jersey guy has a franchise he will soon be losing due to shoddy workmanship. They have an adequate rating overall. I just don't trust someone who won't give references.

I guess we've been screwed over so many times, I'm just very gun shy at this point. Last time we had a floor refinisher in our home, he removed a huge amount of trim from the stairs that he never replaced. It was valuable woodwork, I believe he used it or resold it. And I had to deal with it, because Mr Sheanie is a Nice Guy who never raises his voice, ever.
 
I don't like Angie's list. Everytime I look a company up there are no reviews. What exactly is in the guarantee? Is it your satisfaction or if they meet a set criteria? If it is your satisfaction I say go for it otherwise I would be hesitant.
 
I am a wood floor expert. I have installed and repaired them. The last floor I did was in a windowpane pattern with red and white oak and Brazilian cherry. I have sanded many a floor and cleaned up the mess too. Let me tell you what I learned and if I ever do another floor THIS is what I would do. And It lasts a lifetime.

Tuolene. That's the secret finish on gym floors. You never have to do anything but damp mop...forever. And unless you flood it completely, water just beads up and wipes off. It's quite wonderful. Here's the downside. It's toxic as hell while it's drying and it has to be applied wearing a respirator. I would get the floor finished, clean, ready to go. I would hire someone to do the tuolene while I went on vacation with everyone else who lives in the house, including pets! I would come home and have a perfect floor.

And BTW, it's completely safe after it dries/finishes offgassing.
 
I am a wood floor expert. I have installed and repaired them. The last floor I did was in a windowpane pattern with red and white oak and Brazilian cherry. I have sanded many a floor and cleaned up the mess too. Let me tell you what I learned and if I ever do another floor THIS is what I would do. And It lasts a lifetime.

Tuolene. That's the secret finish on gym floors. You never have to do anything but damp mop...forever. And unless you flood it completely, water just beads up and wipes off. It's quite wonderful. Here's the downside. It's toxic as hell while it's drying and it has to be applied wearing a respirator. I would get the floor finished, clean, ready to go. I would hire someone to do the tuolene while I went on vacation with everyone else who lives in the house, including pets! I would come home and have a perfect floor.

And BTW, it's completely safe after it dries/finishes offgassing.

Okay, did you know that they just passed some kind of law regarding finishing floors? The new stuff that's the only stuff you can use doesn't last long at all. But it's great for the environment.

Your post is the most intriguing news I've heard. We have two large dogs who have wreaked havoc on our beautiful heart pine floors.

The finish the Mr Sandless company uses is very soft. It mars easily, based upon what I saw in Frankenmuth.

Mr Sheanie called them and told the guys that until we can see a recently finished floor, we aren't doing it.
 
@Munchkin , when I search that word, I come up with "tolulene". That doesn't pop up as a floor finish. Where would one find it?
 
I couldn't find anything on this either - toluene is a solvent used in the application of polyurethane, which is used on basketball floors, but I don't get how toluene itself could be useful in finishing a floor.

Toluene is a very volatile organic solvent. It is used in science for many applications, including as the solvent for scintillation counters (radioactive samples are put into vials of toluene that have a scintillant compound dissolved in it; when a radioactive atom decays, it makes a molecule of the scintillant light up, and the vials are in a machine that counts the light flashes). When the counting is done, the vials have to be opened up and the toluene poured out into the radioactive waste containers - and some peon gets to do that. Many years ago, that peon was me (a summer job before college). I was doing this in a hood, with negative air flow (sucking the air up and out of the hood). I still got so woozy and nauseated, I had to stop after about 1/2 hour. The smell of toluene brings that experience back to me every time ...
 
Sorry! I did spell it wrong. And Diana is right it's no fun to work with but you get an amazing floor! And it is dog proof. Just think about those gym floors!

And if I remember right the offgassing takes about 72 hours after the last application. I would plan on being gone for a week just to be safe!
 
I'm still not getting how applying a solvent to the floor refinishes it without sanding. And the finish on gym floors is polyurethane AFAIK - toluene (or a toluene derivative/solution) is used to initiate the polymerization of the urethane - at least that's what I got from the Google-Machine.
http://www.woodfloordoctor.com/_ask...le_and_long_lasting_wood_floor_finishes.shtml
"There are other conversion finishes that are as durable, but they both emit very toxic fumes. In the case of the Swedish finishes, up to 90 days of urea formaldehyde fumes and moisture cured polyurethane contains lots of toluene."​
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Oil-modified urethanes for clear wood finishes: distinction or...-a0130971549
"Oil-modified urethanes are an addition reaction of an isocyanate with a hydroxyl-bearing fatty acid modified ester. The isocyanate typically used is toluene diisocyanate (TDI). The drying oil is reacted with a polyhydric alcohol like glycerol or pentaerythritol, forming polyol-modified vegetable oil or polyol-modified fatty acid. Isocyanates react readily with alcohols/polyols, resulting in the formation of the oil-modified urethane."​

'Splain please!
 
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I ran this past my scientist daughter, who said, and I quote: "Mom, do you want to DIE?" So I guess, since Mr Sheanie has already vetoed this idea based upon sciencey reasons as well, it's not gonna happen.

But that harkened the entire family back to our last experience with floor refinishers when we left our other home for a 2 week vacay while they worked. We returned early, only to find them partying, using our sound system (which was ruined with floor dust), eating our food, using our kitchen, etc. It was the one and only time I witnessed my gentle husband totally lose his cool. It was AWESOME. Very attractive in a spouse who normally uses his words to diffuse volatile situations.

We are looking at estimates now for traditional floor refinishers.
 
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