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Not really... Look at most of this stuff and the people doing the work are NOT mental giants!

You will still need building permits and all, right?

I was surprised to learn that when there is a power outage, we will be as out as everyone else...mostly for electrical worker safety reasons. And there are a couple of jumbo switches to cut off power coming FROM our side, so that electricians and linemen don't get burned when the utility is off but we are on.

But maybe if you had some isolated items on their own power production, not tied into the grid, you could go renegade.
 
You can do what you want if it is not grid connected or a permanent structure attached to the house! IF I had the money I would take the pool offline completely and buy 2 adjunct 48V AC units, 1 for the bedroom, and 1 for the office. All of these would run only when the sun shines, I would just run the fans on the AC units during the winter to use the power. Each mini system would require 1 deep cycle battery. I could make sure the battery is full at the end of the day and use up the juice in the battery to run the AC for a while when we went to bed. If I lost power from the utility, I would still have some AC and the pool would still run. If I was really flush with cash, I would just do the whole thing.

I get a LOT of sun and I have a bonanza of space available for solar panels plus they would create shade!!!
 
"Too bad you can't find a way to "buy" a bunch of that 9¢ electricity and store it for use during peak hours!"

The APS tracks excess on-peak and off-peak KWHs and you can apparently only use the same kind to offset when you're on the two-tier rate plan. Since there are only 7 hours a day, 5 days a week that are on-peak, but those are of course peak usage (as well as peak production) hours, it should balance out pretty well. We'll see how it works.
 
What are your latest power bills? My billing cycle is actually the 1st so I have my August bill for power used in July. Lower than I expected. $297.
 
Keeping in mind how hot it was, that the first 9 or 10 days was before the solar panels were connected, and that we had no credits saved up, our bill for mid June to mid-July was just under $400.
 
What are your latest power bills? My billing cycle is actually the 1st so I have my August bill for power used in July. Lower than I expected. $297.

Us, too?

We had to pay (for being on the grid) $1.27. And $197.32 got added to our end of year settlement balance, bringing our current settlement charges for electricity, from 3/15 through 7/31, to $263.80. (Add the small charges for being on the grid for the total.)

Last July, we used 58.40 kWh at a cost of $428.26.
This July, we used 29.66 kWh at a cost of $198.59.

We had hoped to cover about 2/3 of the cost (by buying 2/3 of the recommended number of panels.) This month, it's only 50-54%, but in cooler weather we were doing much better. End of the "relevant period," next 3/14, we will know.
 
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Mid-July to mid-August was $232. Significant difference. But we only produced about 41% of the power we used.

Our electricity provider APS just instituted rate changes which are like playing 4-dimensional chess to figure out. We are grandfathered into 20 year rate STRUCTURES (not rates) by having solar put in by 8/31/17, but trying to figure out WHICH rate plan to elect is RIDICULOUS. Last night, I posted on our local NextDoor site and a lovely guy who is a software engineer spent nearly 3 hours going over the various calculations (which are based on the limited data we have available, because there are no bills from last year to compare to), and the changed rate structure that they are going to put in.

Just to give you an idea of two of the main plans that are available to me, so long as I change by 8/31 (and which we would be locked into for the next 19.8 years):

Standard plan - tiered billing depending on usage, independent of time of day (there are buttload of other charges too, but this is the rate-based charges).
Winter (Nov - April billing cycle): all kWh are $0.10852
Summer:
First 400 kWh: $0.11161
Next 400 kWh: $0.15920
Next 2200 kWh: $0.18627
Over 3000 kWh: $0.19863​

Our usage (over and above our production) for the recent very hot month was about 1850 kWh. So if we had been on this plan last month, the underlying kWh usage we would have been charged (which was about $100 of the $232) for our electrical usage would have been $300, of which nearly $190 would have been the 1050 kWh over the first 800 ($44 + $64 + $190). However, that calculus would shift in the lower usage months.

The plan I'm currently on is a time of use plan - which current has off-peak hours from 7 PM to noon, and weekends and holidays; however, it is changing to 8 PM to 3 PM plus weekends and a couple more holidays (which sneakily means fewer hours of generating on-peak credits during the winter). The good thing about being grandfathered into this plan is that off-peak and on-peak credits generated in Jan - May are individually banked and used 1:1 to off-set the higher usage in June-September (although April-May, and Oct-Nov are generally about break-even, so it's really the Jan-March credits that will mostly offset the summer high usage). Newer solar installations after 8/31 will not get 1:1 payback - they will not get full credit for what they generate back to the system (!!).

Annoyingly, in December, if you have any credits left, you get paid for them to zero them out, but NOT at the full rate that they were generated. I think if we have a lot of credits at the end of the year, we'll use them up on garish National Lampoon Christmas/Hanukkah light displays. This year, our summer charges are higher because we of course have no credits from the earlier, cooler part of the year, but next year, we should have bills below $50 in the summer.

Anyway, that time of use rate schedule (again, this is just usage - there are other fixed costs):
Winter:
On-peak: $0.22900
Off-peak: $0.07005​
Summer:
On-peak: $0.28205
Off-peak: $0.07105​

Our on-peak usage isn't terrible, compared to what we are using off-peak (it's mostly the A/C), and we're making a significant percentage of the on-peak usage. But at night, when we're STILL using the A/C a lot (it doesn't cool off here that much at night), we are paying for all of it.

The breakdown on that (I'm not sure how to figure out how much electricity we DIRECTLY used from our solar - it doesn't show up here):

Total kWh we drew from APS: 2115 kWh
On-peak: 361 (which is what was over what we made and used directly 12-7 PM)
Off-peak: 1754 (which is what was over what we made and used directly during the time the sun was shining from about 8 AM to noon)​

We DID generate more than we were using at some points during the day. Our credits for last month:
On-peak: 118
Off-peak: 143​
These credits were used to lower what we were CHARGED for down to 1854 kWh: net usage:
On-peak: 243
Off-peak: 1511​

There are other plans available, like a 9 to 9 plan, but I think it would make my head explode to try and figure out which is best, especially since I have no data to compare our expected net usage during spring and winter. The former owners of our house rarely lived here, not that I could get their information anyway.
 
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Mid-July to mid-August was $232. Significant difference. But we only produced about 41% of the power we used.

Our electricity provider APS just instituted rate changes which are like playing 4-dimensional chess to figure out. We are grandfathered into 20 year rate STRUCTURES (not rates) by having solar put in by 8/31/17, but trying to figure out WHICH rate plan to elect is RIDICULOUS. Last night, I posted on our local NextDoor site and a lovely guy who is a software engineer spent nearly 3 hours going over the various calculations (which are based on the limited data we have available, because there are no bills from last year to compare to), and the changed rate structure that they are going to put in.

Just to give you an idea of two of the main plans that are available to me, so long as I change by 8/31 (and which we would be locked into for the next 19.8 years):

Standard plan - tiered billing depending on usage, independent of time of day (there are buttload of other charges too, but this is the rate-based charges).
Winter (Nov - April billing cycle): all kWh are $0.10852
Summer:
First 400 kWh: $0.11161
Next 400 kWh: $0.15920
Next 2200 kWh: $0.18627
Over 3000 kWh: $0.19863​

Our usage (over and above our production) for the recent very hot month was about 1850 kWh. So if we had been on this plan last month, the underlying kWh usage we would have been charged (which was about $100 of the $232) for our electrical usage would have been $300, of which nearly $190 would have been the 1050 kWh over the first 800 ($44 + $64 + $190). However, that calculus would shift in the lower usage months.

The plan I'm currently on is a time of use plan - which current has off-peak hours from 7 PM to noon, and weekends and holidays; however, it is changing to 8 PM to 3 PM plus weekends and a couple more holidays (which sneakily means fewer hours of generating on-peak credits during the winter). The good thing about being grandfathered into this plan is that off-peak and on-peak credits generated in Jan - May are individually banked and used 1:1 to off-set the higher usage in June-September (although April-May, and Oct-Nov are generally about break-even, so it's really the Jan-March credits that will mostly offset the summer high usage). Newer solar installations after 8/31 will not get 1:1 payback - they will not get full credit for what they generate back to the system (!!).

Annoyingly, in December, if you have any credits left, you get paid for them to zero them out, but NOT at the full rate that they were generated. I think if we have a lot of credits at the end of the year, we'll use them up on garish National Lampoon Christmas/Hanukkah light displays. This year, our summer charges are higher because we of course have no credits from the earlier, cooler part of the year, but next year, we should have bills below $50 in the summer.

Anyway, that time of use rate schedule (again, this is just usage - there are other fixed costs):
Winter:
On-peak: $0.22900
Off-peak: $0.07005​
Summer:
On-peak: $0.28205
Off-peak: $0.07105​

Our on-peak usage isn't terrible, compared to what we are using off-peak (it's mostly the A/C), and we're making a significant percentage of the on-peak usage. But at night, when we're STILL using the A/C a lot (it doesn't cool off here that much at night), we are paying for all of it.

The breakdown on that (I'm not sure how to figure out how much electricity we DIRECTLY used from our solar - it doesn't show up here):

Total kWh we drew from APS: 2115 kWh
On-peak: 361 (which is what was over what we made and used directly 12-7 PM)
Off-peak: 1754 (which is what was over what we made and used directly during the time the sun was shining from about 8 AM to noon)​

We DID generate more than we were using at some points during the day. Our credits for last month:
On-peak: 118
Off-peak: 143​
These credits were used to lower what we were CHARGED for down to 1854 kWh: net usage:
On-peak: 243
Off-peak: 1511​

There are other plans available, like a 9 to 9 plan, but I think it would make my head explode to try and figure out which is best, especially since I have no data to compare our expected net usage during spring and winter. The former owners of our house rarely lived here, not that I could get their information anyway.

I'll have to reread this when I'm not on opioids. Funny to me that they are keeping so many levels..."tiers" here...as we just lost a tier.

From the What I Know Dept...Time of Use plans do not, imho, do retired folks or work at home folks any favors. At the precise time of the day that weather is miserable, they want us to do without/roast. And, now that we mostly don't have to have a life run via alarm clocks, they want us up in the wee smalls doing laundry, I guess.
 
Well, we also have to factor in the seasonal difference (we have gas heating). The 3-4 months of summer are SO hot and require huge usage for A/C, and it doesn't cool off that much at night. But it's much nicer the rest of the year - we had open windows for a couple of months in the late winter/early spring.

PLUS, if the on-peak is only 3-8 PM weekdays, it's not that hard avoiding doing laundry during that time. We generally only do laundry once every 8-10 days.
 
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Our low prices aren't that low and our highest prices are twice as high. And our hours are a bit different, too.

And laundry here is almost daily...lol

I probably can't format it, but:
Time of Day--Summer

Plan A

8 am - 2 pm - 28¢
2 pm - 8 pm - 45¢
8 pm - 10 pm - 28¢
10 pm - 8 am - 13¢
PLUS 3¢/day and 33¢/day minimum, because they can.

Plan B

8 am - 2 pm - 17¢
2 pm - 8 pm - 33¢
8 pm - 10 pm - 17¢
10 pm - 8 am - 13¢
PLUS 53¢/day, because they can.

There is also a Tiered plan

If you are a frugal user, you get prices on the left, but once you exceed (I think it's 130% of some magic number) their allowance, all the rest of your Killywatt hours are charged at the [higher] rate.

8 am - 12 noon - 18¢ [22¢]
Noon - 6 pm - 35¢ [39¢]
6 pm - 8 am - 18¢ [22¢]

Because we elected to cover only 66% of our estimated need with solar, we most likely will not have a credit balance in March, when our "relevant period" ends.

BUT, if we were to have a credit balance, they would pay us based on whatever rate plan we were on. (And
I forgot to ask "and if we change rate plans during the year?")

At least SCE has an online calculator to see which plan would serve us best.
 
I need a year of experience to figure out what rate plan would serve us best - and then we can only change once a year (I think).

And then I want to get a hot tub ...
 

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