Diet and Exercise Alone are No Cure for Obesity, Doctors Say

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Diet and exercise alone are no cure for obesity, doctors say

In a commentary published Thursday in the journal Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology, four weight-loss specialists set out to correct what they view as the widespread misimpression that people who have become and stayed obese for more than a couple of years can, by diet and exercise alone, return to a normal, healthy weight and stay that way.

"Once obesity is established, however, body weight seems to become biologically 'stamped in' and defended," wrote Mt. Sinai Hospital weight management physician Christopher N. Ochner and colleagues from the medical faculties of the University of Colorado, Northwestern University and the University of Pennsylvania.

The depressing fact, said Ochner in an interview, is that "the average adult with sustained obesity has less than a 1% chance of reattaining and maintaining a healthy body weight without surgery."
The human body, evolved to endure through periods of food scarcity, has adapted a host of methods to ensure that lost weight will be restored, the authors say. It will respond to weight loss by powering down its use of calories as fuel, pumping out hormones to increase hunger, boosting fat storage capacity, and tricking the brain to demand overconsumption.

"Few individuals ever truly recover from obesity," the authors wrote. Those that do, they add, "still have 'obesity in remission,' and are biologically very different from individuals of the same age, sex and body weight who never had obesity." They are constantly at war with their bodies' efforts to return to their highest sustained weight.

Physicians, he said, should be doing more than exhort patients to eat less and move more. They should intervene more quickly to encourage weight loss in overweight patients before they become obese. They should discuss with obese patients the range of medications, surgery and device-based treatments approved by the FDA to supplement diet and exercise in promoting weight loss. And they should make weight-loss maintenance--an aspect of obesity treatment that is neglected--a part of their treatment plan.
These discouraging facts about the body's response to weight loss are well known to obesity researchers: Drug developers wrestle with the fact that even when their treatments induce weight loss by one means, other mechanisms spring up to limit or reverse that weight loss. So why would an influential foursome of clinicians see the value in recapitulating these ideas in a respected medical journal?

"It's not just that most people still stigmatize obesity--as they say, it's the last acceptable form of stigma," said Ochner. "What really bothers me working around and with clinicians, is that some of them--a disturbing percentage--still believe it's all about personal choice: that if the patient just tries hard enough, and if we can just figure out how to get them a little more motivated, then we'd be successful. And that's just not right."

Lifestyle changes are undoubtedly a necessary condition for enduring weight loss, Ochner said. But they're far from sufficient, and when physicians believe they are--when they say "you already know what to do, I told you what to do," he said--"that's certainly cruel, and it's harmful: It prevents them getting the care they need."

Meanwhile, public health officials and researchers, Ochner added, should do more to encourage the development of more effective aids to weight loss. And everyone should understand that "it may be 20, 30, 40 years before we see a turnaround."

"We all want a fix for obesity, a cure for it," Ochner said. But "eat less, move more" is not it, he said.

From: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-eat-less-more-obesity-20150212-story.html
 
When I was originally considering WLS last year, I found a similar article (probably quoting the same doctor, can't remember) that laid out, in black and white, just how bleak the picture was for sustained weight loss without surgery. I had been very surgery-wary at that point, but that article (which was much like this one) is what really put me over the line in favor of surgery. What other treatment that fails 99% of the people who try it still gets passed around as gospel, as something that will work? It's crazy. If I was told I'd have a 99% chance of failure at ANYTHING else, I doubt I'd do it. Why did I think weight loss would be different? It really opened my eyes.
 
Diet and exercise alone are no cure for obesity, doctors say

In a commentary published Thursday in the journal Lancet Diabetes and Endocrinology, four weight-loss specialists set out to correct what they view as the widespread misimpression that people who have become and stayed obese for more than a couple of years can, by diet and exercise alone, return to a normal, healthy weight and stay that way.

"Once obesity is established, however, body weight seems to become biologically 'stamped in' and defended," wrote Mt. Sinai Hospital weight management physician Christopher N. Ochner and colleagues from the medical faculties of the University of Colorado, Northwestern University and the University of Pennsylvania.

The depressing fact, said Ochner in an interview, is that "the average adult with sustained obesity has less than a 1% chance of reattaining and maintaining a healthy body weight without surgery."
The human body, evolved to endure through periods of food scarcity, has adapted a host of methods to ensure that lost weight will be restored, the authors say. It will respond to weight loss by powering down its use of calories as fuel, pumping out hormones to increase hunger, boosting fat storage capacity, and tricking the brain to demand overconsumption.

"Few individuals ever truly recover from obesity," the authors wrote. Those that do, they add, "still have 'obesity in remission,' and are biologically very different from individuals of the same age, sex and body weight who never had obesity." They are constantly at war with their bodies' efforts to return to their highest sustained weight.

Physicians, he said, should be doing more than exhort patients to eat less and move more. They should intervene more quickly to encourage weight loss in overweight patients before they become obese. They should discuss with obese patients the range of medications, surgery and device-based treatments approved by the FDA to supplement diet and exercise in promoting weight loss. And they should make weight-loss maintenance--an aspect of obesity treatment that is neglected--a part of their treatment plan.
These discouraging facts about the body's response to weight loss are well known to obesity researchers: Drug developers wrestle with the fact that even when their treatments induce weight loss by one means, other mechanisms spring up to limit or reverse that weight loss. So why would an influential foursome of clinicians see the value in recapitulating these ideas in a respected medical journal?

"It's not just that most people still stigmatize obesity--as they say, it's the last acceptable form of stigma," said Ochner. "What really bothers me working around and with clinicians, is that some of them--a disturbing percentage--still believe it's all about personal choice: that if the patient just tries hard enough, and if we can just figure out how to get them a little more motivated, then we'd be successful. And that's just not right."

Lifestyle changes are undoubtedly a necessary condition for enduring weight loss, Ochner said. But they're far from sufficient, and when physicians believe they are--when they say "you already know what to do, I told you what to do," he said--"that's certainly cruel, and it's harmful: It prevents them getting the care they need."

Meanwhile, public health officials and researchers, Ochner added, should do more to encourage the development of more effective aids to weight loss. And everyone should understand that "it may be 20, 30, 40 years before we see a turnaround."

"We all want a fix for obesity, a cure for it," Ochner said. But "eat less, move more" is not it, he said.

From: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-eat-less-more-obesity-20150212-story.html
Which means that the Gastric Sleeve, which reduces intake but does not involve other changes, _________________________________ (complete the sentence.)
 
Which means that the Gastric Sleeve, which reduces intake but does not involve other changes, _________________________________ (complete the sentence.)

Spiky, me lady, I'm going to have to dis-agree with you on that one. Yes, on the surface the VSG appears to be a purly restrictive procedure, but there are a host of other metobolic benefits and changes that occur up to 18 months that they can't even begin to understand. It does "reset" the store/burn furnace as well as stop diabetes in a high percentage etc, etc, see my cut and paste below for more info:

According to the surgical literature, VSG is considered a restrictive procedure because reduced stomach size causes early satiety and reduced oral intake.5 However, increasing evidence suggests that VSG induces weight loss through other physiological alterations, not just restriction, including increased intraluminal stomach pressure, which causes early satiety; increased gastric emptying for faster small-bowel transit time; and neurohormonal changes, including the reduction of both fasting and meal-stimulated ghrelin production and increased glucagonlike peptide-1 and peptide-YY, an intestinal hormone that increases satiety.
Whereas normal stomach anatomy can hold approximately 1,500 mL, VSG reduces this volume to 90 to 220 mL.14 Yehoshua and colleagues assessed the stomach volumes and pressures of 20 patients who had undergone VSG and found that sleeve volumes held anywhere from 90 to 220 mL.15 When the sleeve was filled with a volume of saline, the pressure inside the sleeve rose to 43 mm Hg compared with 34 mm Hg when the stomach was intact. VSG reduces the stomach’s ability to distend, thereby increasing the amount of pressure within the intraluminal space. This increase in pressure leads to feeling of fullness and may lead to weight loss by reducing caloric intake.
One interesting feature of VSG is most patients’ temporary absence of hunger following the procedure.16 The hypothalamus and gut hormones control hunger and satiety neurohormonally. While most gut hormones are considered anorectic because they suppress the appetite, ghrelin is known as the only orexigenic (appetite-stimulating) gut hormone.16 Ghrelin is produced primarily in the stomach but also in the duodenum, jejunum, and lung.
In an intact anatomy, ghrelin is an endogenous hormone that stimulates the release of growth hormone and the appetite. It plays a role in body weight regulation independent of growth hormones by initiating food intake. With VSG, loss of appetite, despite a patient’s restricted hypocaloric intake, is explained by the elimination of the majority of ghrelin-producing cells by resecting and removing most of the stomach.17
In a prospective study comparing ghrelin levels between 10 VSG and 10 adjustable gastric band patients, Langer and colleagues showed significant ghrelin reduction in VSG patients beginning the first day after surgery, and it remained low through six months after the operation.18
Other studies have shown that ghrelin levels remain low even longer than six months postoperatively, aiding in the weight-loss process.18,19 Karamanakos and colleagues demonstrated that ghrelin reduction also concomitantly increased levels of peptide-YY.20 The interplay among the sleeve, ghrelin, and other hormones is complicated and not fully understood but is believed to play a major role in the weight-loss mechanism.
 
Spiky, me lady, I'm going to have to dis-agree with you on that one. Yes, on the surface the VSG appears to be a purly restrictive procedure, but there are a host of other metobolic benefits and changes that occur up to 18 months that they can't even begin to understand. It does "reset" the store/burn furnace as well as stop diabetes in a high percentage etc, etc, see my cut and paste below for more info:

According to the surgical literature, VSG is considered a restrictive procedure because reduced stomach size causes early satiety and reduced oral intake.5 However, increasing evidence suggests that VSG induces weight loss through other physiological alterations, not just restriction, including increased intraluminal stomach pressure, which causes early satiety; increased gastric emptying for faster small-bowel transit time; and neurohormonal changes, including the reduction of both fasting and meal-stimulated ghrelin production and increased glucagonlike peptide-1 and peptide-YY, an intestinal hormone that increases satiety.
Whereas normal stomach anatomy can hold approximately 1,500 mL, VSG reduces this volume to 90 to 220 mL.14 Yehoshua and colleagues assessed the stomach volumes and pressures of 20 patients who had undergone VSG and found that sleeve volumes held anywhere from 90 to 220 mL.15 When the sleeve was filled with a volume of saline, the pressure inside the sleeve rose to 43 mm Hg compared with 34 mm Hg when the stomach was intact. VSG reduces the stomach’s ability to distend, thereby increasing the amount of pressure within the intraluminal space. This increase in pressure leads to feeling of fullness and may lead to weight loss by reducing caloric intake.
One interesting feature of VSG is most patients’ temporary absence of hunger following the procedure.16 The hypothalamus and gut hormones control hunger and satiety neurohormonally. While most gut hormones are considered anorectic because they suppress the appetite, ghrelin is known as the only orexigenic (appetite-stimulating) gut hormone.16 Ghrelin is produced primarily in the stomach but also in the duodenum, jejunum, and lung.
In an intact anatomy, ghrelin is an endogenous hormone that stimulates the release of growth hormone and the appetite. It plays a role in body weight regulation independent of growth hormones by initiating food intake. With VSG, loss of appetite, despite a patient’s restricted hypocaloric intake, is explained by the elimination of the majority of ghrelin-producing cells by resecting and removing most of the stomach.17
In a prospective study comparing ghrelin levels between 10 VSG and 10 adjustable gastric band patients, Langer and colleagues showed significant ghrelin reduction in VSG patients beginning the first day after surgery, and it remained low through six months after the operation.18
Other studies have shown that ghrelin levels remain low even longer than six months postoperatively, aiding in the weight-loss process.18,19 Karamanakos and colleagues demonstrated that ghrelin reduction also concomitantly increased levels of peptide-YY.20 The interplay among the sleeve, ghrelin, and other hormones is complicated and not fully understood but is believed to play a major role in the weight-loss mechanism.
I'm hoping all of the promising stuff is correct because my sister had the sleeve about 2.5 years ago...and is not happy at her regain. It isn't horrid, but it's there. I also have regain...and the same lousy habits. But I can "diet" on steak and eggs and ham and cheese and fat bombs. She has less capacity, but she has to go back to "real" diets. The ones that never worked to begin with. I worry about her.
 
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I'm hoping all of the promising stuff is correct because my sister had the sleeve about 2.5 years ago...and is not happy at her regain. It isn't horrid, but it's there. I also have regain...and the same lousy habits. But I can "diet" on steak and eggs and ham and cheese and fat bombs. She has less capacity, but she has to go back to "real" diets. The ones that never worked to begin with. I worry about her.

Yes, remember though Spiky, I said I said the benefits are most significant for about 18 months or so. Then it seems like that in a significant amount of the population the re-gain etc happens. No one knows for sure how the body re-adapts, does the stomach re-grow enough to start triggering all those biological chemical and hormonal changes or how is the adaptation occurring? It happens some with the DS too and is not fully understood, BUT, the DS still has the built in insurance policy of malabsorption, which isn’t a panacea either, but helps significantly.
The VSG does work good for some, even long term. I personally know of 3, one of which is my HERO, my Ortho whom actually re-awakened me to the idea of WLS about a yr ago. It would not work for people like me though long term, due to my ability to maximize absorption. ….correction….MY FORMER ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE ABSORBTION!!!!!!!!!! I’m not even used to that concept yet!!!! Holy Shit that feels good to be able to say that!!!
 
at 2.5 years out I could NOT have regained if I wanted to. I would guess a lot of people - including your sister - really should have had a DS.

hey, Rob, you know that your profile says preop?:whistling:
 
not sure what I'm trying to say here except I really got a free ride there, for years. could NOT have regained. I realize not everyone has this experience!
 
Oh, to be able to get a DS. I still find it crazy that I can't. If I'm low risk enough to do my surgery privately, I should be low-risk enough to get a DS instead of a sleeve. FFS, I don't even have high blood pressure. Sigh. But even if I could convince my surgeon I was low risk enough, he'd still say no, that it was a bad idea because I want kids. Ah well. I need to suck it up, quit whining, and do what I gotta do, I guess.
 

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