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DianaCox

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Today may finally be the outcome I’ve been hoping for since 2016. Dem control of the presidency, House, and Senate. Healthcare for all, undo the environmental laws that were gutted by Trump, humane immigration reforms, etc.

It’s still going to be a rocky two weeks, but I swear I slept better last night than I have for over 4 years.

Stacey Abrams needs to run the DNC. She created a miracle.
 
hoping we see them held accountable even if it takes time - clearly the police, capital or otherwise, rolled over to let them in. they didn't break in, they were LET in. :mad:

the response yeterday - letting them walk out - is discouraging but still hoping justice will prevail even if it's slow.
 
MsVee, you (and the rest of us ordinary citizens) have every right to feel sad, angry, traumatized by the events we have just witnessed, and so much else of the last 4 years, but you personally have no cause to feel ashamed. You didn't fall for the lies and conspiracy crap, you didn't riot, you didn't trash our Capitol. The blame falls elsewhere, and I hope our would-be dictator will finally be held accountable.
 
I’m all for the second impeachment. First, because it matters that it is made clear that lame duck criming WILL be prosecuted, and second because I want him to lose every possible emolument of being a former president, including the ability to run in 2024, and a pension, Secret Service protection and a library if possible.
 
For law nerds, the bored, the work-avoidant, I present a law review article from 2002 on late impeachment, which favors the constitutionality of the process.

Some interesting quotes:

Page 129:
“Instead, Specter indicated that if convicted, the ex-President would lose his perquisites:

‘President Clinton technically could still be impeached. And you say how can that happen, he's out of office! Because a president may be impeached for the emoluments of office, such as the substantial sums being spent on the library, such as the bodyguards, such as his pension.

Although Specter was correct (if lonely) in assessing that Clinton could still be impeached, he was wrong to state that Clinton's punishment upon conviction could include stripping him of his "emoluments." Federal law currently provides that a President who is impeached does lose his pension and other benefits, but only if he is impeached while in office.'"
Therefore, impeaching Clinton would not affect his emoluments.'

All of this means that if a malfeasing President is interested in
keeping his pension, he need only wait until the end of his term to commit his impeachable offenses. To avoid this sin of misincentive,535 Congress should change the law to make clear—prospectively—that an impeached and convicted President (or other official) does not deserve to reap millions in federal benefits, regardless of when the offenses and impeachment occur.”

Page 131:

“Without late impeachability, then, lame-duck officials are
situated in a way that allows them to perpetrate offenses against the United States with relative impunity. Any disincentives to such conduct that can be erected would improve this situation, and late impeachment is an obvious way to do just that.”

Page 135:

“Constitutional structure is also consistent with late impeachability. If the only purpose for impeachment were removal, then there would be no reason to conduct a late impeachment. But removal is not the only purpose of impeachment. Impeachment is designed as a deterrent to prevent offenses from occurring in the first place, and this deterrent effect would be severely undermined if it faded away near the end of a term. Moreover, convicted impeachees can be disqualified from future federal office, an important punishment that the offender himself should not be able to moot. Nor should the 'President be able to preempt a full investigation or full punishment; the Constitution forbids the President from using his pardon power to achieve these ends, and late impeachment is the only way to prevent an end run around this clear structural imperative. Although some opponents of late impeachment make allowances for these extreme cases by allowing some late impeachments, in reality, no constitutional basis exists for distinguishing between them.

Finally, precedent favors late impeachability. Admittedly, there is no wholly clear and binding authority. States construing similar provisions have come to mixed results. But the Senate, which, in the end, is the final arbiter of this question, has approved late impeachment. Senate opponents of late impeachment may have prevented convictions, but they have not prevented late trials, and they cannot alter the formal declaration of a majority of the Senate that officers can bc impeached after they have left office.

In practice, late impeachment may rarely if ever prove worthwhile to pursue. Then again, one can imagine several scenarios in which it might. Even if no occasion ever arises in which late impeachment is worthwhile to pursue, this would place late impeachment in the same class as rcgular impeachment—more important to have available than to actually use. No federal executive official has ever been impeached and convicted, either while in office or after leaving it, but every federal officer is appropriately constrained by the possibility of impeachment, and it is only with late impeachment that this constraint can be properly whole.”
 
I’m all for the second impeachment. First, because it matters that it is made clear that lame duck criming WILL be prosecuted, and second because I want him to lose every possible emolument of being a former president, including the ability to run in 2024, and a pension, Secret Service protection and a library if possible.
I am all for it too but I doubt there is sufficient time to accomplish it. A significant number of Republicans would have to actively push for it to happen.
 
I do not want him eligible to ever be able to run for public office again. He is unfit and dangerous. Impeachment or whatever can be done should be done to STOP him.
 
Republicans who want to be for it quietly could just not show up to vote - it’s 2/3 of the members present, so if 25 Repubs don't show up, the others could all vote no.
 
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