Ettie-Quettie Query

DianaCox

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Try and stay that five time fast.

I've got a smoldering issue that for no reason in particular came to mind today, and I'm not sure how to handle it - or whether to continue to ignore it.

But first, some background is necessary.

My nearly 83 year old father lives with his widowed ladyfriend I'll call S - they've been living together for about 8 years now. She has money and my father has none - and she is so paranoid about becoming in any way financially responsible for him that he STILL has to maintain his address here at our house, and drive 30 miles to pick up his mail from time to time. She has two adult children to whom she (understandably) wants her estate to inherit - whereas my father will be pretty much left out in the cold when she passes (they're both tough old birds, but Dad is healthier). So she won't marry him.

Dad more than earns his keep - he cooks and shops and drives her (her vision is poor) and handles her checkbook and escorts her to places SHE likes to go - which to be fair, he couldn't afford, like the theater and symphony and fancy dinners and synagogue, and travel back east and to Europe and Israel, so even if they aren't HIS plans, he gets to go. I don't like it, but it's not my life. If she dies first, he gets kicked out of her condo and moves back in with us, which is fine. So money is a suppressed sore point within this extended "family."

Her son and his fiancee (D and K) got married 2.5 years ago. Although they live in the area, they lived50 miles away and we don't socialize. Our parents have only once invited us to do anything together, and although I have invited them over several times, only D came, once as I recall. They are about 15 years younger than us, so mid-40s, and no, we don't have much in common, other than our parents. They are DINKs, with refined tastes, if you get my drift.

We were invited to and attended their wedding, at which was a very nice affair, with a sit-down dinner. We were also invited to the rehearsal party and dinner, which also was a big deal the day before, so we went up the day before to Berkeley (about 50 miles away) and spent the night before and the night of at the hotel where the wedding was held. (They happened to get married on our wedding anniversary - which they knew, but was not mentioned.) My daughter and her (then) husband were invited and attended, as was my son - who pulled an asshole move and at the last minute, didn't go - I was furious at him and it resulted in a rift between us that lasted almost a year, because he embarrassed my father in front of his g/f and her somewhat snooty friends and family.

D and K were in their early 40s when they married and had lived together for a while - and they are fairly well off themselves. They asked that in lieu of wedding gifts, that guests donate to a charity - and they listed a few of their choice, all of which were local animal-based charities - or a charity of our choice. I'm sorry, but I prefer to donate to people - but we couldn't decide which one to donate to right at that time. Finally, at the end of the year, my husband sent a substantial sum to Doctors Without Borders. I just now asked him if there was a place on the donation paperwork to indicate that the donation was being made on behalf of someone else, but he didn't think he'd seen it, and I KNOW he would have had to ask me for the information, and he didn't.

That was two years ago. There was next to no contact between us and D&K during that time. Then in September, they bought a house IN OUR ZIPCODE - like 1 mile from our house. I welcomed them to the neightborhood by email, and invited them - two months in advance - to Thanksgivukkah dinner, on the FRIDAY after Thanksgiving (we concede T'day to the in-laws, and make our kids come for another dinner on Friday). I didn't get an answer until I resent the Evite twice. I know K is vegetarian, so I made sure there was food she could eat. In fact, the day before, I emailed D and asked him what KIND of vegetarian/vegan she is, so I could make my delicious stuffing without chicken broth if she is fussy about that. He said don't go to any trouble - but of course, I took that to mean yes, she would mind, so we made a separate batch for her. As well as several hors d'oeuvres that were vegan.

They showed up about an hour before dinner (they were invited to come over during the afternoon to schmooze and eat) - and immediately announced that they could not stay; dropped off a pie that they blythely announced was a re-gift, and left after an hour or so. K didn't touch anything we had prepared other than a glass of wine, and was very quiet and aloof the entire time they were at the house.

The entire rest of the family was stunned (Dad and S were on the east coast with S's daughter for the weekend, so they weren't there to witness this). We have not heard from them since, and you would think perhaps there may have been a housewarming party since then - if there was, we were not invited to it.

SOOOO ... I was thinking about this the other day, and it suddenly occurred to me - are we being shunned/snubbed because they don't know that we made a donation as they requested for a wedding present? Would someone do that? If so, is there a way of letting them know at this late date that we DID make a donation? Would it look like we are doing it because we are feeling snubbed and therefore we are making a show of it now? I don't see any way of "fixing" this (if indeed that's what it is) that doesn't embarrass everyone, which is of course the height of BAD manners. Or frankly, whether it is worth fixing.

I thought about asking my father if he knew anything about it - but he would feel really terrible to be put in the middle (and his social finesse is a little weak these days). I can't ask S - because if she DIDN'T know, she'd make a huge fuss about it and of course defend D&K.

The only thing I can think of is that I took some (terrible) pix at their wedding that I never sent them. I could burn them onto a CD and send it to them as a present, apologizing for the lateness, and mentioning that I hope the donation we made to DWB (or MSF, as it is actually known) was put to better use than my photography skills, or some such lame-o comment that points out that EXPLICITLY that we did make the donation.

This is really pissing me off, the more I think of it. I'm not sure if it makes me more annoyed that they might be snubbing us because they just don't find us interesting or Klassy enough for them, or because they think we are cheap assholes who ate their wedding food and didn't donate to a charity as a wedding gift.

What would you do?
 
I'd contact Doctors Without Borders and figure out from that end whether a notification was sent. Fundraiser types understand these issues and are only too happy to help their donors sort out possible snafus. We like donor retention, you see :).
 
At this point, going to the trouble of having a notice from DWB sent to them would be a bit obvious, don't you think? Why would I do that, unless I was trying to P.O.I.N.T O.U.T that we did it, which would be because we felt for some reason that they needed to know - i.e., making a bad situation worse. If anything, I need to be able to sliiiiide it into the conversation in a more natural way.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
 
Considering it's tax season, you could ask if they got something from them cause you would like to make sure all donations are documented for your tax returns.
 
Diana, you are a much nicer person than I am. If someone blew me off like that after I had gone to all the trouble that you did for your holiday dinner, I would write them off.
 
At this point, going to the trouble of having a notice from DWB sent to them would be a bit obvious, don't you think? Why would I do that, unless I was trying to P.O.I.N.T O.U.T that we did it, which would be because we felt for some reason that they needed to know - i.e., making a bad situation worse. If anything, I need to be able to sliiiiide it into the conversation in a more natural way.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
No, I'd make sure the gift was actually received and recorded (unless you already have a receipt or something). Then I'd go from there. You could ask them about it under the guise of looking for tax info, as Liz suggested. Or you could work out a conversational gambit about the wedding, I suppose, and slide it in there. But for that to happen, you'd have to make a conversation happen...
 
My Grandmother remarried at 82 they each had their own money and basically split everything down the middle. They were married 12 years before failing health moved them into a house with a residential care home and hospital on site. When Arnold became to ill to live with my Grandmother instead of moving them from the house they shared to a facility that offered 24 hour "help" his family packed him up and moved him 500 miles away against their wishes...I seem to have wandered off track sorry. Still pisses me off 10 years later...

Anyway we never really got to know his family. They didn't want to engage. Some people are just like that. All you can do is keep including asking them to family functions and maybe the ice will thaw. Who knows whats going on in their lives. Just making the effort for your Dad is pretty amazing.
If it comes up you can tell them of course you donated. Or you can say something about the actual charity and segway into it the next time you see them.
 
Considering it's tax season, you could ask if they got something from them cause you would like to make sure all donations are documented for your tax returns.
that's a good idea.

I would either let it go (most likely) orcall up and say "hey, did we have some kind of misunderstanding? I hope there are no hard feelings" or something else not the least bit subtle.

or just, hey let's meet and have coffee. leave the door open, you know?

it's probably hopeless but you never know.
 
The tax thing won't work - the donation was made in late 2011. But keep the ideas coming.

The feeling we got was that the snub was coming from K, while D (who would be my stepbrother, if his mother would marry Dad) seemed to be having a good time while he was here. She's a skinny, blonde, uptight, nervous Jewish American Princess type, who looks around and judges. We have kids, and now grandkids (they are childless, supposedly by choice), and we are messy and informal. I think she is uneasy around the warm, lively chaos that is a family dinner at our house, with multiple people in our kitchen all doing something at the same time. Oh, and by the way, the dinner was ALSO supposed to be celebrating her birthday and Charles', which were the same week.

After reading some of your comments, come to think of it, why the fuck do I care? Perhaps because just the logistics of the situation indicates to me that they have had Dad and S over to their house since they moved in, and didn't invite us. Which means that it MUST be a "thing" that Dad and S know about, and it will continue to be a thing if something isn't done. So, being the "fix-it" type, I feel like I gotta try something.

I think I'm going to burn the CD with their wedding pix, buy a card, and then RIDE MY BIKE over to their house during the day on a weekday (intentionally avoiding running into them), and leave it in their mailbox. Making the point that they live so close. But what should the card say?

Here is my first draft:

Hi D and K,

We received yet another solicitation from Doctors Without Borders today (the organization to which we sent a donation in honor of your wedding), which reminded me that I have been terribly remiss in never having burned the CD of the pix I took at your wedding to give to you. I hope your REAL photographer was better than I was - these are pretty bad, but I treasured the informal pix of my wedding taken by friends and family as much as the formal ones. Anyway, I decided to burn the CD, write you this note, and jump on my bike (exercise!) to deliver it before my senile brain lost track of it again, thus getting a three-fer checked off my list for the day.

Hope all is well with you - stop by sometime!

Diana (and Charles)

Let them try to figure out what the third item in the three-fer was:
  • Giving them the pix
  • Getting my exercise
  • Rubbing it in their faces that we DID make a donation, and that they've been assholes to us for no good reason
I'm not good at this kind of thing. Feel free to critique!
 
The tax thing won't work - the donation was made in late 2011. But keep the ideas coming.

The feeling we got was that the snub was coming from K, while D (who would be my stepbrother, if his mother would marry Dad) seemed to be having a good time while he was here. She's a skinny, blonde, uptight, nervous Jewish American Princess type, who looks around and judges. We have kids, and now grandkids (they are childless, supposedly by choice), and we are messy and informal. I think she is uneasy around the warm, lively chaos that is a family dinner at our house, with multiple people in our kitchen all doing something at the same time. Oh, and by the way, the dinner was ALSO supposed to be celebrating her birthday and Charles', which were the same week.

After reading some of your comments, come to think of it, why the fuck do I care? Perhaps because just the logistics of the situation indicates to me that they have had Dad and S over to their house since they moved in, and didn't invite us. Which means that it MUST be a "thing" that Dad and S know about, and it will continue to be a thing if something isn't done. So, being the "fix-it" type, I feel like I gotta try something.

I think I'm going to burn the CD with their wedding pix, buy a card, and then RIDE MY BIKE over to their house during the day on a weekday (intentionally avoiding running into them), and leave it in their mailbox. Making the point that they live so close. But what should the card say?

Here is my first draft:



Let them try to figure out what the third item in the three-fer was:
  • Giving them the pix
  • Getting my exercise
  • Rubbing it in their faces that we DID make a donation, and that they've been assholes to us for no good reason
I'm not good at this kind of thing. Feel free to critique!

It sounds good to me FWIW, but I'm not good at 'this type of thing' either.
 
My Grandmother remarried at 82 they each had their own money and basically split everything down the middle. They were married 12 years before failing health moved them into a house with a residential care home and hospital on site. When Arnold became to ill to live with my Grandmother instead of moving them from the house they shared to a facility that offered 24 hour "help" his family packed him up and moved him 500 miles away against their wishes...I seem to have wandered off track sorry. Still pisses me off 10 years later...

Anyway we never really got to know his family. They didn't want to engage. Some people are just like that. All you can do is keep including asking them to family functions and maybe the ice will thaw. Who knows whats going on in their lives. Just making the effort for your Dad is pretty amazing.
If it comes up you can tell them of course you donated. Or you can say something about the actual charity and segway into it the next time you see them.

Whit, that's awful! It should have been ILLEGAL - they were married and wanted to be together!!

I'm liking my idea (well, because I thought of it) - but do you think it is too obvious? Part of me WANTS it to be obvious, as a sort of titty-twist, but with plausible deniability.
 
Maybe they just don't like you. Or your DH.

I know that's hard to imagine and a sure indicator that they have horrid taste...but I sure wouldn't write a single word or pursue the relationship AT ALL. And I wouldn't go there to deliver anything.

Call DWB and confirm that a card was sent. (And if it wasn't, they can send an apologetic letter now.) But the bride and groom may be pissed that you did not honor their wishes and send $ to THEIR charities...or they may have been told something ugly by S or whatever.

But they know how to find you and have made no effort to do so...I'd let it go.




ETA...there are a lot of people who just don't appeal to me...and I'm comfortable with the knowledge that others likely feel that way about me.
 
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Diana,

I'm struggling a bit with the lack of knowledge of a donation/gift as the cause of the cold shoulder. Plausible, definitely, but I'm not sure it is highly likely. The reason I say this is I did something similar when I married. I chose not to register and asked for no gifts "your presence is our present" but when pressed, would ask for donations to charity of choice in lieu of gifts. The logic behind this was that Charles and I already had all the household goods we could need and many of our guests were travelling internationally at significant expense, so we didn't want to burden anyone further. (We came to regret this choice by receiving 7 engraved mantle clocks in a dissonance of styles when we had nary a fireplace nor mantle in our home.) I've had friends also ask for donations in lieu of gifts for similar reasons - basically, not to burden the guests. The whole point was to not receive anything. So, I find it strange that a couple that is indicating a preference for donations to gifts would care much if donations were or were not made in their honor.

I think the best course would be to assume innocence on all parts and extend a welcome mat, but just acknowledge that sometimes it is difficult to build new relationships with individuals who are brought into our lives through marriage or relationships with family members.

I'd recommend a brief, forward-looking note in the post that says something to the effect of: "Oh bother! We were so delighted at the prospect of becoming neighbors but our schedules have been so busy lately that we haven't been yet able to find time to properly welcome you to town. Would you care to join us for lunch/dinner at our house or restaurant next weekend? If not, I bike in this area often and would love to meet up for coffee sometime."
 
I don't think they would be pissed about us sending it to a different charity (the option to do so was there) - but I am sure that they were not notified that we DID make a donation - Charles didn't think about it, and just made it in OUR name. It's not their fault that they don't know that we DID make a donation - and I realize that I am making a huge assumption that they (or she) might be offended by not having received a notification that we made it. But it's the only thing I can (or am willing to) think of that might explain their standoffishness.

Or maybe I've got BO.
 
Diana,

I'm struggling a bit with the lack of knowledge of a donation/gift as the cause of the cold shoulder. Plausible, definitely, but I'm not sure it is highly likely. The reason I say this is I did something similar when I married. I chose not to register and asked for no gifts "your presence is our present" but when pressed, would ask for donations to charity of choice in lieu of gifts. The logic behind this was that Charles and I already had all the household goods we could need and many of our guests were travelling internationally at significant expense, so we didn't want to burden anyone further. (We came to regret this choice by receiving 7 engraved mantle clocks in a dissonance of styles when we had nary a fireplace nor mantle in our home.) I've had friends also ask for donations in lieu of gifts for similar reasons - basically, not to burden the guests. The whole point was to not receive anything. So, I find it strange that a couple that is indicating a preference for donations to gifts would care much if donations were or were not made in their honor.

I think the best course would be to assume innocence on all parts and extend a welcome mat, but just acknowledge that sometimes it is difficult to build new relationships with individuals who are brought into our lives through marriage or relationships with family members.

I'd recommend a brief, forward-looking note in the post that says something to the effect of: "Oh bother! We were so delighted at the prospect of becoming neighbors but our schedules have been so busy lately that we haven't been yet able to find time to properly welcome you to town. Would you care to join us for lunch/dinner at our house or restaurant next weekend? If not, I bike in this area often and would love to meet up for coffee sometime."
I like Hilary's approach, too.

But if you continue to receive the same response, fuck 'em and feed 'em fish.
 

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