I think I left out some back story. I am not vegan. I have leather shoes and take vitamins that include gelatin , etc. I am trying to eat whole food plant based for my husband who is on his second kidney transplant and has dangerously high cholesterol. He is not a DSer. But I do 100% of the cooking. Full on ethical vegans can be very unethical in their treatment of people who won't act like them, you are correct. I'm sorry to hear about your health issues. I'd be sad to give up veggies as I've always loved them. One of the reasons I chose DS was the ability to have a full functioning stomach so I could eat raw veggies. I'm sure I will settle into a place where I am eating meat or eggs a few times a week. Right now I am doing this to model to my husband that it can be done and the food can be tasty. The good news is his cholesterol is coming down !! One other note- my brother is a cardiologist who is plant based (not vegan) and sponsoring a double blind study now on strict plant based eating - and that includes getting less than 10% of calories from fat like some of the blue zone populations. (If you've read about blue zones- they are where the longest living people are clustered). It was his suggestion to help my husband... I too love ribs and steak but equally love lentils and cabbage so it is working for me. I'm not suggesting the same path for all as each of us react differently to DS and our needs differ.